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JohnnyOh



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 1:34 pm    Post subject: Latency for Distributing streams Reply with quote

Hi together,

I have a configuration request. I am using icecast 2.3.2 and my encoder is edcast (MP3-stream only)

everything works fine, but there is a problem of distribution-latency:

when my encoder is connected to the icecast server, the stream is available after about 7 minutes.

Please note that I am not connecting to the same server I am encoding to. I use the following structure:

Entry-server (source connects to this) -> relay-server -> Client-server (where I connect to hear the stream)

Is there any configuration-parameter, which handles this latency of about 7 minutes? what do I have to do, to reduce this latency?

I am looking forward to get your hints

Kind regards


Johnny
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karlH
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sounds like the relay server has a long retry time set.
<master-update-interval> is 2 mins by default, maybe it is set higher.

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JohnnyOh



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi karlH,

thank you for your quick reply.
Unfortunately I do not use the master-slave configuration.
The Relay is configured manually with <relay></relay>
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and yet the tag configures the retry setting for all relays.

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JohnnyOh



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Karlh,

does it matter when the following parameter is commented out:

<!--
<master-server>ip-adress</master-server>
<master-server-port>80</master-server-port>
<master-update-interval>120</master-update-interval>
<master-password>hackme</master-password>
-->

is it an global parameter? i am relaying the streams like this:

<relay>
<server>source-ip</server>
<port>80</port>
<mount>/mountpoint.mp3</mount>
<local-mount>/mountpoint.mp3</local-mount>
<relay-shoutcast-metadata>1</relay-shoutcast-metadata>
</relay>

I am looking forward to hear from you.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no, should default to 120 seconds

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am sorry for my next request/misunderstanding.

Do I understand right, that the <master-update-interval>-parameter is activated, even when it is commented out? this would be weird.

in this case:
when I reduce the interval to 30 seconds, the stream should be available earlier?

If the parameter is not activated when it is commented out, where do I have to reduce the interval?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I just said the default is 120, unless you override it with the tag I mentioned. If you lower the value then the relay will be restarted more often. Whether the relay will start streaming is another matter and is typically why people need to get used to the idea of looking at log files.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

many thanks for your eefort and patience.

I do not understand, why I have to set the <master-update-interval>, even when I do not use a master-server (master-slave-infrastructure).

this is my icecast.xml:

Code:
<icecast>
    <limits>
        <clients>2000</clients>
        <sources>200</sources>
        <threadpool>250</threadpool>
        <queue-size>524288</queue-size>
        <client-timeout>30</client-timeout>
        <header-timeout>15</header-timeout>
        <source-timeout>10</source-timeout>
        <!-- If enabled, this will provide a burst of data when a client
             first connects, thereby significantly reducing the startup
             time for listeners that do substantial buffering. However,
             it also significantly increases latency between the source
             client and listening client.  For low-latency setups, you
             might want to disable this. -->
        <burst-on-connect>1</burst-on-connect>
        <!-- same as burst-on-connect, but this allows for being more
             specific on how much to burst. Most people won't need to
             change from the default 64k. Applies to all mountpoints  -->
        <burst-size>65535</burst-size>
    </limits>

    <authentication>
        <!-- Sources log in with username 'source' -->
        <source-password>hackme</source-password>
        <!-- Relays log in username 'relay' -->
        <relay-password>hackme</relay-password>

        <!-- Admin logs in with the username given below -->
        <admin-user>admin</admin-user>
        <admin-password>hackme</admin-password>
    </authentication>

    <!-- Uncomment this if you want directory listings -->
    <!--
    <directory>
        <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
        <yp-url>http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
    </directory>
    <directory>
        <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
        <yp-url>http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
    </directory>
     -->

    <!-- This is the hostname other people will use to connect to your server.
    It affects mainly the urls generated by Icecast for playlists and yp
    listings. -->
    <hostname>localhost</hostname>

    <!-- You can use these two if you only want a single listener -->
    <!--<port>8000</port> -->
    <!--<bind-address>127.0.0.1</bind-address>-->

    <!-- You may have multiple <listener> elements -->
    <listen-socket>
        <port>80</port>
        <!-- <bind-address>127.0.0.1</bind-address> -->
    </listen-socket>
    <!--
    <listen-socket>
        <port>8001</port>
    </listen-socket>
    -->

    <!--<master-server>127.0.0.1</master-server>-->
    <!--<master-server-port>8001</master-server-port>-->
    <!--<master-update-interval>120</master-update-interval>-->
    <!--<master-password>hackme</master-password>-->

    <!-- setting this makes all relays on-demand unless overridden, this is
         useful for master relays which do not have <relay> definitions here.
         The default is 0 -->
    <!--<relays-on-demand>1</relays-on-demand>-->

    <relay>
        <server>entry-IP</server>
        <port>80</port>
        <mount>/test.mp3</mount>
        <local-mount>/test.mp3</local-mount>
        <relay-shoutcast-metadata>1</relay-shoutcast-metadata>
    </relay>

    <!-- Only define a <mount> section if you want to use advanced options,
         like alternative usernames or passwords
    <mount>
        <mount-name>/example-complex.ogg</mount-name>

        <username>othersource</username>
        <password>hackmemore</password>

        <max-listeners>1</max-listeners>
        <dump-file>/tmp/dump-example1.ogg</dump-file>
        <burst-size>65536</burst-size>
        <fallback-mount>/example2.ogg</fallback-mount>
        <fallback-override>1</fallback-override>
        <fallback-when-full>1</fallback-when-full>
        <intro>/example_intro.ogg</intro>
        <hidden>1</hidden>
        <no-yp>1</no-yp>
        <authentication type="htpasswd">
                <option name="filename" value="myauth"/>
                <option name="allow_duplicate_users" value="0"/>
        </authentication>
        <on-connect>/home/icecast/bin/stream-start</on-connect>
        <on-disconnect>/home/icecast/bin/stream-stop</on-disconnect>
    </mount>

    <mount>
        <mount-name>/auth_example.ogg</mount-name>
        <authentication type="url">
            <option name="mount_add"       value="http://myauthserver.net/notify_mount.php"/>
            <option name="mount_remove"    value="http://myauthserver.net/notify_mount.php"/>
            <option name="listener_add"    value="http://myauthserver.net/notify_listener.php"/>
            <option name="listener_remove" value="http://myauthserver.net/notify_listener.php"/>
        </authentication>
    </mount>

    -->

    <fileserve>1</fileserve>

    <!-- set the mountpoint for a shoutcast source to use, the default if not
         specified is /stream but you can change it here if an alternative is
         wanted or an extension is required
    <shoutcast-mount>/live.nsv</shoutcast-mount>
    -->

    <paths>
                <!-- basedir is only used if chroot is enabled -->
        <basedir>/usr/local/share/icecast</basedir>

        <!-- Note that if <chroot> is turned on below, these paths must both
             be relative to the new root, not the original root -->
        <logdir>/var/log/icecast</logdir>
        <webroot>/usr/local/share/icecast/web</webroot>
        <adminroot>/usr/local/share/icecast/admin</adminroot>
        <!-- <pidfile>/usr/local/share/icecast/icecast.pid</pidfile> -->

        <!-- Aliases: treat requests for 'source' path as being for 'dest' path
             May be made specific to a port or bound address using the "port"
             and "bind-address" attributes.
          -->
        <!--
        <alias source="/foo" dest="/bar"/>
          -->
        <!-- Aliases: can also be used for simple redirections as well,
             this example will redirect all requests for http://server:port/ to
             the status page
          -->
        <alias source="/" dest="/status.xsl"/>
    </paths>

    <logging>
        <accesslog>icecast2new.log</accesslog>
        <errorlog>error.log</errorlog>
        <!-- <playlistlog>playlist.log</playlistlog> -->
        <loglevel>2</loglevel> <!-- 4 Debug, 3 Info, 2 Warn, 1 Error -->
        <aggregation>1</aggregation>   <!-- 0 NO_AGGREGATION, 1 DAILY, 2 MONTHLY -->
        <logsize>10000</logsize>
        <logarchive>1</logarchive>
    </logging>

    <security>
        <chroot>0</chroot>
        <changeowner>
            <user>icecast</user>
            <group>icecast</group>
        </changeowner>
    </security>
</icecast>


may be this could help you, to solve my misunderstanding.

Many thanks for your effort.

Best regards

Johnny
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