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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:34 pm    Post subject: Icecast streaming providers that use the KH28 Icecast server Reply with quote

Does anyone know of any Icecast streaming providers that use the KH28 Icecast server?
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karlH
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

not sure you'll find that out here, you could look for providers with certain capabilities like flv wrapping but we don't maintain a list like that here.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know fastserv.com offers Icecast with flv wrapping. Not sure what version of Icecast they are using but I'm almost certain it's one of the "kh" versions though. Here's a link to their demo using a flash player to play an aac+ Icecast stream: http://www.fastserv.com/kb/article/icecast_embedded_flash_player/
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know other providers who are also using KH, but all have the same problem: the flash player. Providers that use JW Player (as the provider FastServ) can not have a statistic of listeners who work accurately.

If you click the Pause button and check the statistics of Icecast, you will see that the audience will still be counted. The correct is that the player has a Stop button to stop the stream in fact, to avoid the problem.

FlowPlayer works best in this regard, however, has another problem common to the JW and I think the most complicated to solve: Flow very easily disconnected from the stream because of variation in bandwidth. So it is not the same thing you hear using Winamp, WMP and the like.

Winamp and others have buffering feature. I believe this is possible using FlashPlayer, but unfortunately it is something that depends on good knowledge in the development of Flash, which most do not.

In Brazil, there are a provider who is using Shoutcast modified (with FLV wrapper) similar to KH version of Icecast. The Flash Player used by this provider does not have looked so beautiful, but technically it is perfect, and unfortunately I found nothing like that has been developed for version KH.

Look:
http://webradios.com.br/player_aac/index.php?server=5&porta=9306&autoplay=1&vol=100

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http://webradios.com.br/player_aac/index.php?server=5&porta=9342&autoplay=1&vol=100
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vinhetariaecia wrote:
If you click the Pause button and check the statistics of Icecast, you will see that the audience will still be counted. The correct is that the player has a Stop button to stop the stream in fact, to avoid the problem.

In regards to the JW player: I've seen this too. It may stop play, but it still buffers the audio. I host my own player so I have set it up to stop the player when it detects the paused state. It's so simple to do...just two or three lines of code. The stream hosts should really consider tweaking their javascript code to do that.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just because a player pauses audio playback does not make the listener count inaccurate. Icecast is still sending the stream and bandwidth is still being used. The player should really show a pause or stop for files and stop only on streams, as you really don't have a pause for a stream.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Karl
JW has not Stop button, however, FlowPlayer yes! The truth is that these two players were not developed with a focus on streaming audio, but allows a series of changes that require knowledge in Flash.


@davect99
It's amazing to see that Stream Hosts, especially in the U.S. are selling a solution too incomplete. Karl has done a fantastic job and I would like very much to see forum members who have knowledge in Flash share solutions on how to resolve the vulnerability of these players that causes them to lose connection easily.

If you do testing with the players I mentioned the URLs here, you'll notice that, besides having a loading buffer that is not seen natively on JW and Flow, also have automatic reconnection based on the detection of Internet bandwidth of the listener. I am seeking a similar solution, but I have not found anything.
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